[Opera-Linux] video playback using the mplayerplugin succesor "Gecko media player" is broken due to a bug in Opera

[Tomáš Hnyk]

I would like to point you once more to the Opera thread  
(http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=154160&t=1180477231 -  
last three or four posts) where I reported this for the first time - some  
people seem to have done a fair amount of investigation to the issue.
Tomas Hnyk
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:48:35 +0200, <psmaas at opera.com> wrote:

> Hi Tomas :)
>
> Now that I read all of it a bit better I see you were the one that
> reported the bug - sorry for the misunderstanding. It is currently under
> investigation - but it may take a bit of time - if we need further
> information then I assume we can contact you?
>
> Patricia
>
> On Tue, 29 May 2007 13:59:48 +0200, Tomáš Hnyk <tomashnyk at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Just to clarify how to confirm it:
>> Just go to www.apple.com/trailers and try to watch a trailer you have
>> never watched before. It will not work.
>>
>> As for the F5 issue, I misinformed a little. The viedos actually play
>> only
>> (and not always) when you preview them in different browser. Therefore,
>> fire up firefox, go to for example
>> http://www.apple.com/trailers/disney/ratatouille/trailerQTsmall.html and
>> watch it. Then try it in Opera with Gecko media browser - it should  
>> work.
>> However, it sometimes (more then less often, actually) does not, when I
>> tried several other trailers: it probably has to do something with  
>> cache.
>>
>> Anyway, the main issue is this does not work if it probably could rather
>> easily (since it sometimes works)
>> Tomas Hnyk
>>
>> On Tue, 29 May 2007 12:49:36 +0200, Daniel Eckl <daniel.eckl at gmx.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I understand it's difficult and specs might be unclear. Perhaps it's  
>>> not
>>> possible at all.
>>>
>>> It was just that Eiriks words below sounded as if he just was tired of
>>> this plugin subject in general.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your nice words and your clarification.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> psmaas at opera.com schrieb:
>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>
>>>> we will investigate the issue that you have reported, we are
>>>> continously
>>>> working on our plugin intergration, however it is often a land of
>>>> under/un-specified behaviour and that is what Eirik is reffering to.
>>>> Please continue to investigate and report plugin bugs on unix.
>>>>
>>>> Patricia
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 29 May 2007 11:56:28 +0200, Daniel Eckl <daniel.eckl at gmx.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen schrieb:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomáš Hnyk <tomashnyk at gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I recently discovered that a succesor to mplayerplugin that should
>>>>>>> work with Opera is developed, namely the Gecko media player, the
>>>>>>> homepage  being:
>>>>>>> http://dekorte.homeip.net/download/gecko-mediaplayer/.
>>>>>>> However, it, as of now, works not very well with Opera. Try to go  
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> apple.com/trailers and see for yourself - the trailer will not  
>>>>>>> show,
>>>>>>> only  after you hit F5 and sometimes even then it will just display
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> black  rectangular window in place where the trailer should be.
>>>>>>> The developer says it is due to a bug in Opera: "I've seen this
>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>> it seems to be caused by a bug in Opera. It is not
>>>>>>> sending the SetWindow event properly."
>>>>>>> I filled a bug (266776) about it as well. And there is a related
>>>>>>> thread on myopera forums:
>>>>>>> http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=154160&t=1180306042.
>>>>>>> However, could some please confirm this?
>>>>>>> Tomas Hnyk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's way too much black magic in plug-in-land.  The whole plug-in
>>>>>> specification is really broken when it comes to interoperability.
>>>>>> And
>>>>>> nobody follows the spec anyway (which just makes it worse).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> eirik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Eirik!
>>>>>
>>>>> How can I read your writing? Is this a confirmation of the supposed
>>>>> bug
>>>>> in opera? I assume so.
>>>>>
>>>>> So in other words you mean:
>>>>> "Everyone writes buggy plugins, so we can legitimately write a buggy
>>>>> plugin runner. Above that I cannot catch on with this stuff anymore,
>>>>> because it's a mess."
>>>>>
>>>>> ???
>>>>>
>>>>> _In case I read your writing correct_: Sorry, but this saying is not
>>>>> acceptable. If someone writes a buggy plugin: his fault. If opera
>>>>> writes
>>>>> a buggy implementation: Operas fault!
>>>>> With your point of view you make the story go round and round. Soon a
>>>>> plugin dev will say "Why should I write spec conform plugins? The
>>>>> browser developers don't follow the spec anyway!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Please investigate this problem and if there is a bug in opera,  
>>>>> please
>>>>> confirm that in round terms and _if it's possible_, then please fix
>>>>> it,
>>>>> so we can start shouting at the plugin developers instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mainly the missing or not good working media player plugins for opera
>>>>> linux are a pain in the neck, so I really would like to see more
>>>>> efforts
>>>>> in trying to make them run better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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